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>> Okay great, we're back
again with Kevin Templin again.

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He's the integration manager for
the Space Shuttle Program Transition

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and Retirement Office.

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Once again, Kevin, thank you for
taking time out and joining us

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and we'll pick back up a little bit.

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We covered a lot of, of course there's thousands
of components coming off the vehicle to preserve

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and that type of thing, do you know if the
engineering community has learned anything yet?

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Have you heard anything from, I guess
they're called STS Last, that kind of group?

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>> Kevin Templin: That was kind of an internal
name we gave them, kind of a mission name

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but it's just, you know, the whole
idea with that was retention hardware

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for either further engineering knowledge, skill
development, that type thing, or future use.

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There's some thought that some of these parts
might have some use on some smaller projects

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or you know as we've mentioned even larger
ones like SLS so they really haven't had time.

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We just finished processing discovery and the
other two vehicles, Atlantis and Endeavour,

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that are down at KSC, are still undergoing
the work to remove some of this hardware

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and get it ready for display so the
hardware is still being shipped out so if any

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of the works done, it's been very little.

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And that's really more future work
for the engineering community.

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>> Alright, well you know obviously it's painful
anytime you retire an operational vehicle

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to move on to you know the future programs that
NASA's working on but you know these orbiters,

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Discovery, of course, being delivered first,
but these orbiters still have a mission,

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you know an educational mission, an opportunity
for people to see them that never have

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and you've kind of been involved going around to
these sites where we're going to deliver them.

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Is that the message you're
getting from those museum folks

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when you have been meeting with them?

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>> Kevin Templin: It is.

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It is. They're actually working
together in some respects to try

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and make their displays complimentary.

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And so if you'll, when you see them in their
final display sites, you're going to see things

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like the Air and Space Museum, they'll have
the vehicle on wheels as if it's rolled

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to a stop at the end of a mission.

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>> Right.

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>> Kevin Templin: On the runway.

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The Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum intends
to take Enterprise and put it on display

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as if it were on final approach
so you have one landing.

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Kennedy Space Center, which will have Atlantis,
has a display designed which shows the vehicle

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with payload bay doors open as if
it's on orbit during the mission.

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And in the California Science Center has a
pretty ambitious plan to try and mount Endeavour

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in the vertical as if it's ready to launch so

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>> So that is all three different
phases of program flight.

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>> Kevin Templin: Very different phases.

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That's right.

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>> Very interesting.

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Well let's move on.

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Now, of course, we're getting ready for
Discovery's final trip to its home at the Air

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and Space Museum and I know you
guys have had a ton of meetings

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and of course you've just had a meeting to sort
of set the stage for the ferry flight, right?

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How did that go?

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>> Kevin Templin: It went really well.

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It was Orbiter rollout review, which the
programs had many rollout reviews over the,

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you know the course of the life of the program.

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This one's a little different because of
the things we've already mentioned here

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that the configuration of
the vehicle is different.

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These rollout reviews are always held to
make sure that the work we said we had to do

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at the beginning of the processing flow was
actually accomplished and anything we ran

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into in between was solved appropriately.

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This one went very smoothly.

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It's, like you said, a little bit bittersweet.

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It's a big milestone.

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This vehicle is about ready to be backed out
of the Orbiter Processing Facility and its next

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>> We have a photo up.

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>> Kevin Templin: We do.

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We have a photo up of Discovery.

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>> Yeah, there you go.

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>> Kevin Templin: You can kind
of see it from the end there

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but you see the tail comes installed
so if things were going well,

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well things did go very well,
we're going to roll the vehicle

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over to the vehicle assembly building and
store it there until mid April when we're ready

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to ferry off to the Air and Space Museum.

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So this vehicle is buttoned up
and ready for display, basically.

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>> Right, so of course Discovery going to
the Air and Space Museum outside Washington,

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D.C. and then of course then we're going to pick
up Enterprise, which has been there for while.

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>> Right, this one is kind of unique because we
delivered Enterprise to the Air and Space Museum

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in 1985 and it's been in
their possession since then.

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And so we're going to end up picking
up the vehicle from a non NASA facility

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and ferrying it off to its new site.

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>> And there's your picture.

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It shows it under crane.

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That's one thing I wanted you to touch on is
we don't have the permanent mate demate devices

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that are located in California and Florida
and so we have to do a unique operation for

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>> Kevin Templin: We definitely do.

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We, if people are used to seeing the mate demate
devices at Kennedy Space Center or even the one

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out at Dryden Flight Research Center where
we sometimes land at the end of the mission

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and it makes it very easy for us,
relative, right, everything is relative,

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easy for us to mate the vehicles
up and to offload the vehicles

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when we need to do that at those sites.

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But the sites we're going to do not have these
facilities so we actually have a contingency set

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of hardware if we ever needed to do a
transatlantic abort, that sort of thing,

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that we could is use hardware to load
up the orbiters on the carrier aircraft

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and bring it back to the Kennedy Space Center.

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We've used the hardware before
but it's been a long time.

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The last time we actually used that hardware
was when we delivered Enterprise to the Air

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and Space Museum in 1985 so we've had
some dress rehearsals with the hardware

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down at the Kennedy Space
Center, make sure that procedures,

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we understand them, we know how to operate this.

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And we'll be using this hardware at every
one of the sites we ferry a vehicle to.

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When we go to Dulles we'll have this
hardware erected to offload Discovery

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and then we will have it in place to load
up Enterprise and we'll have to take all

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that ground support equipment down, send
it up to JFK International in New York,

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put it back together to offload Enterprise.

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>> Right.

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>> Kevin Templin: And we'll send
it all out to California to LAX

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and do the same thing to
offload Endeavour out there.

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So this picture, I think, was
actually from an offload that we did

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in 1984 at Mobile for the World's Fair.

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>> Oh that's right.

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That's when we took Enterprise out there.

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That's correct.

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>> Kevin Templin: Uh huh, uh huh.

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>> Well that's great.

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You know it's a lot of work that's
going on to get these vehicles ready.

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It's almost like processing for a flight and of
course it is an operational mission to get them

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to their final display sites
at all of these museums.

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>> Kevin Templin: It definitely
has that feel of operations,

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even though the end game here is a
little different than a central orbit,

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we're operating under the same
sort of rules and procedures so.

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>> Right. What's next for you when this all
wraps up, probably toward the end of the year?

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>> Kevin Templin: I've had that question
a lot and to be honest with you there's

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so much activity right now I haven't
had a lot of time to focus on that

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but the agency has a lot of things going on,

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going forward through you
know the Space Shuttle.

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The station is up and operational and we have
the Orion Space Capsule being developed here

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at the Johnson Space Center and
then the Space Launch Center

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so a lot of things I can go look at.

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I'm not sure where I'll end up landing in
the end but I'll need to start focusing

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on that probably this summer after we get
a couple of these ferries under our belt.

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>> Yeah, well we really appreciate
you stopping by, Kevin,

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to kind of give us an update that's been going
on with all the activities with the orbiters

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as they wind up their service, obviously,
and head out to all the museums.

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Kevin Templin the integration manager

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for the space shuttle program's
Transition and Retirement Office.